I have been looking over your web sites for about a week now (still not even half way through everything) and debating whether to e-mail you. I know you are busy and may not have time to reply. Funny though, when I finally did decide to e-mail had problems finding it.
Anyway, I have been seeking truth and God has been leading me in the same direction slowly for years now. Slowly because I could only take so much of yanking my flesh foundation out from under me at any given time.
Even reading it in words on your site I sometimes think "This is absolutely nuts". But then this site is the first time that I have seen anything that is parallel in all ways to what I have discovered in the Word.
I regress. The reason I wanted to e-mail was to ask you a couple of questions.
First: Is God showing you more than you are actually writing in your site?
Second: What brought you to Colorado Springs?
D.
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You know that searching for truth makes a person a little on the "iffy" side. Finding it gets you labeled a bonafide lunatic. Nice to know that there are others out there seeing the same thing. Helps you see that maybe you aren't really crazy...just different and I can do different.
I think the hardest thing about it is that the more Truth I become aware of the more I see/feel/etc. the darkness. Sometimes it becomes so overwhelming. For years I shared a very comfortable relationship with my Prozac because it dulls everything. But then I really couldn't touch God because it kind of put up a wall. I apologize if my thoughts appear a bit disjointed. My husband and I have just experienced the wrath of the "Annointed" so we are still kind of reeling and trying to put it all back together in our minds.
But what I wanted to say is this. There is a new movement out there. I think it is much more dangerous than the prosperity movement. They call it Third Day or Third Wave or something. Basically they have taken the Song of Solomon and made it into a religion. It is all based supposedly on love. They bash the name it and claim it and the money thing, (but they still want your offerings).
The whole idea is that God is now speaking a new word to us through prophecy and he is restoring the Prophetic and Apostolic offices. It is an international movement that has the same kind of tolerance thing as the Promise Keepers, you know as long as it is all in Jesus name it is good.
Doesn't matter your beliefs or faith. We will all come together unde His name. But all the while talking about Falling in love with the Father and becoming the bride of Jesus (this really gets sick in some areas because they take it to an eros love knd of thing) all the while they are talking about taking the nation back for God and God's judgement and fighting for god and war,, a lot of really violent ideas. They even have a book something about war through worship.
This movement is spreading very quickly, yet suprisingly quietly through the nation and is internationally targeted. And it all comes together in Colorado Springs CO., home or at least home base of numerous ministries along with about as many military establishments. You can check out Chuck Pierce and Dutch Sheets if you are interested.
Anyway, I am going to stop here. I was just being nice the first time and I will say it took quite a bit of self control (not my strong suite either) to keep the first one as short as it was. I am just so excited to meet you. I really really had started to question my beliefs and actually every path God has taken me on up to this point. But he really is so merciful. Somehow I found your site just at the time I was ready to chuck it all so to speak.
One more question. Do you actually personally know other people, like in person, that are truly searching for, finding, and implementing Truth in their lives?
D.
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I am attaching a site that gave me a lot of info concerning Chuck Pierce. It is pretty far out so be ready and I leave it up to you to make a judgement as to the truth. Myself, I thought it lined up pretty well with things I already knew. I do have some first-hand knowledge, as that is what we have recently been so mercifully plucked out of, but a lot of it comes from investigation I did during that time. More on that later.
I will send another e-mail and tell you about that (have to make supper and all that good stuff right now and it's probably going to be one of those long ones...the e-mail not supper.)
In the mean time, I don't envy you in the least being in Colorado Springs. But then again God knows who goes where. My husband has this great analogy of life being a big puzzle. We get a piece that fits and we think we are so hot. What idiots we can be. God sees the whole puzzle ( he even has the box top-always a must in puzzle stuff) and we see one piece. Makes you think.
By the way I'm going to the next level here so to speak. Dealing with the hell thing right now. You know when the Bible says we see thing as through a mirror it is more accurate than I ever imagined. It is like everything we see and know is actually the opposite of God's reality. Mirror image.
Anyway, I will send our story soon. You might also want to look at IHOP (International House of Prayer) in Kansas City. Mike Bickle I believe.
D.
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WOW!!! I just went back on that site I sent you. So much for feeling sorry for you living in Colorado Springs. We live about 6 hours south of _______ on the _____ border. I wonder if God is strategically placing His people. Just a thought.
Anyway here is our story.
We got new neighbors and as we got to know them our religious beliefs seemed to jive pretty well. He was a former Baptist preacher turned charismatic and they started a home church which we eventually started going to. At first it was great. We were a tight knit body and it seemed that God was really doing a work.
Then all of the sudden this pastor introduces the book "The Father's Blessing" by John Arnott as kind of the basis for our fellowship. We really didn't know much about Toronto so we went along with it. I even went online to get an address as we were planning to go to Toronto with my parents in the summer. Well, I didn't find an address but I did find a buch of negative testimonies of division and demon posession that came out of this so called "blessing".
I looked hard for some positive testimonies and could not find anything. Then we read in the book that we were supposed to just receive and we could test the spirits later.
RED FLAG!!!
...well it was about that time that all of the sudden this pastor, our neighbor seems to develop a huge mistrust thing for me. No matter what I said it was judgemental or "religious".
Shoot I didn't really even have to say anything. At one of the home meetings one of the group brought a woman in from his home town up north. This woman was as close to demon posessed as I have ever seen. During the meeting she shrieks out "God deliver us from the church!" At another time she gets up and says she has God's check book of blessings and asks who wants a check, then proceeds to distribute these thoughout the group, all the time being cheered on by the pastor.
She then hones in on my husband who is legally deaf and wears hearing aids. She instructs him to remove them and proceeds to pray for him. I was really on edge by now and put my hand on his shoulder to pray Gods protection on him from this woman. When she touched him I literally felt it physically. It knocked me backward in the chair. I was exhausted by the time we left.
About that time the men in our group went to a conference with Chuck Pierce and Dutch Sheets. It was then that I started checking him out. I got pretty upsent and spent the whole weekend fasting and praying for my husband. I didn't say anything to him. When he got back he told me that the whole weekend conference was full of interruptions and chaos. Hmmm wonder where that came from? I showed him what I had found and he said he could see it from what he had seen at the conference. We threw away all of the books and tapes he had bought.
After that the pastor really encouraged "words" and prophecy and such. A couple of times one of his "more mature" (his words) people blatantly contradicted the Word, once right after it was read.
It all came to a head soon after that. we were at a prayer meeting (held to the rock beat of some tape the pastor had picked up at the conference. Not exactly condusive to intercessory prayer but great for that warrior thing). Anyway I was on my knees begging God to show us why we were there. All of the sudden the pastor reads this verse about how if we don't warn them their blood is on our hands.
Man you really need to be careful what you ask for. I knew then I was supposed to read Jude. So I did but of course he didn't get it so me in all my fleshly wisdom decided to explain what God meant. I told you before self -control wasn't my strong suit. A "discussion" entailed, followed by the pastor wanting me to read Chuck Pierce's take on discernment so that I could apply wisdom in it. I did go back the next Sunday and felt so special because he had prepared his whole sermon just for my benefit.
You know it was like he had been in on all of our conversations and knew my mind, but knowledge of my heart was lacking.
To back up a bit here though. That night I read Jude, my husband had known in his spirit what was coming and he knew I was supposed to read it. But that night a division came on us. C_____ said that he felt an accusing spirit toward me. We went through about a week of fighting tooth and nail for our marraige. Now, we have been married 7 years and are very much in love. We have never ever been divided like this. And the thing is we really weren't disagreeing about anything.
Just divided.
We didn't go back but didn't break ties with them. One night about 2 months later they came over basically to confront us.
We discussed with them and told them we probably would not be back.
Man, it was awful. We were accused of being afraid...of prophesy, of spiritual gifts, of spiritual freedom, you name it. I was accused of hatred and being out of line and causing the group to just be appalled by my behavior.
All the while they were telling us that they loved us, yet hatred was just spewing out of them. I was so upset when they left.
I kept wanting my poor husband to talk to me. I needed him to talk because I was so confused I couldn't even think straight. I mean it. Not just upset it was like I was caught in a tornado. And he couldn't because he was basically in the same place. It took us until the next evening before we could even think straight enough to talk about it.
Do I believe this was a spiritual attack? You bet I do!!!
I don't know why we were led there in the first place, and we really belive we were led there. Maybe because God laid it on C______'s heart to come against the declaration Chuck Pierce made against St Louis. That was supposed to take place before Dec 22 and didn't. Though I do believe they will try it again. I noticed that Kim Clement has since added to that prophecy.
Maybe it was so we could clearly see deception. We are still kind of fresh out of it. A week or so ago so there may be less fact in this than you wanted and more emotion. But if you have specific questions feel free to ask.
You know the music is so deceptive.
We can't all relate to the love of a father but who doesn't want to be "romanced", who doesn't want to fall in love with God. And of course why would this be Satan? Why would he allow that? these are some of the questions they ask you.
One more thing, you said something before that has really challenged me. I have always searched for and accepted Truth as God gave it to me. No matter how outrageous it seemed to me. But what you said.
It was like I need to not only pursue it and even just live it. I need to commit to it.
And the funny thing is. I have been fighting a battle over that all day today. I am scared. I always have been. That has always been a stumbling block for me. You really have to trust if you are going to get truth.
OK enough. Sure hope my spell check kicks in at some point.
D.
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You know I think there is one thing I would like you to add. That is a warning about kids. It seems to be the thing to teach the kids to move in the Holy Spirit. Churches are so proud of the kids for this. But when my daughter grew up we were in one of those "Holy Spirit Filled" churches.
I watched as she supposedly moved in the spirit and prayed and all. But we all spent so much time (new buzz word here) "soaking in the spirit" that no one bothered getting to know God.
Now I have a 20-year old daughter who has no idea who God is. I am doing the job now that I should have done10 years ago, teaching her about the nature of God and how to communicate and get to know Him. And now , of course, now she knows so much more (in her mind, anyway). She is a Psychology student and thinks she has all the answers.
It's a lot easier to teach them when they are young.
You talked about how easy it is to slip back into that mess. I don't think that is a danger with us. My husband knows what a real God seeking church is. He experienced one about 20 years ago. He has a very special relationship with God though. He has serious health problems and is legally deaf and I don't know but I think God chooses people like him sometimes simply because he can't do it in his own strength. God communicates with him in a very special way and he has some very powerful wisdom in that.
As for me, I have gone the spectrum. My dad is a Lutheran minister. I have been Baptist, Assembly of God, Word Faith Charismatic (that was a real trip), crazy holy ghost stuff etc, etc.
You know, for truth-seekers there seems to be a pendulum that we ride. We go from one extreme to the other. Then it slows down and we get a little more grounded. And thank God, it always stops in the middle. I think we are in that middle now.
I have been dealing with a lot of stuff since our experience. You really inspired me with that thing about not just studying and searching for truth but actually committing to it. I have done that and of course the flood gates are open now. I think I am going to be quite the tall pot as fast as that wheel is spinning.
My husband and I have also come to this conclusion. God tells us not to neglect the assembling of ourselves together. I think this is for the purpose of strengthening one another and being accountable to someone. But when it comes down to it that doesn't mean we have to find the perfect church. Our spiritual life is up to us. It is a one on one thing with God and the church we are in is not really an issue when we are doing what we should be doing in our prayer closet and time alone with Him.
D______ said he is not sure that God means for true believers to be together in a congregation. He thinks they might get too comfortable or something. Maybe it is the leaven thing. We are the leaven. If you put too much in one loaf it isn't a good thing. You have to distribute it into many loaves. Still, I think it would be nice to at least have some kind of network bringing together those who are seeking truth and trying to live according to what God really asks of us. Even if it is simply someone to assure you that you are not just a trouble maker, that you are not crazy, there are others out there seeing and hearing the same messages and warnings.
I used to send articles to some Christian magazines for publication. I never got past the letter that said "We liked your article but we think that it needs..." They always wanted me to add things that weren't true. Now I know that if you want to get published you have to concede or at least compromise with the editors's requests. But somehow it just didn't seem right in the spiritual realm to add fiction to truth just to get published. So I never did and then real life happened and now I don't have the time or the desire to pursue anything of that sort. Plus, you have to feel things to write and I don't anymore.
I would like to continue communications if that is good with you. It has just been so refreshing actually saying things that I cannot share with anyone other than my husband. D______ and I are kind of in this little oasis by ourselves and it has been nice to be able to share thoughts and ideas with someone outside of our space. In fact, sometimes it even takes him a little time to catch up. He told me the other day I was scaring him when I asked him "What if there wasn't a hell?" That is one of my latest reasearches. But he and I, we always come together in the end. Like I said, he is a very special person.
Oh yes, one more thing. Kim Clements. You say he has had a lot of outrageous prophecies that have not come true. You might want to keep an eye on him. Now that he is riding the coattails of Chuck Pierce you might see that change. Chuck Pierce has an amazing track record. In fact, just about every city in which he has a major conference and predicts disaster tends to see that come about once he leaves. If you havent had a chance to go to that web site I sent you, you really need to do it. And keep an open mind.
There is more to it all than you may think.
Anyway, you should think about that network thing. Your web site might provide a tool for you to bring something like that about if God leads you in that direction.
Blessings to you and your family.
D.
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I do believe that these prophecies are as you say "self-fufilled" -- and the reason that these are so general is because he can't really go in and say "oh by the way you all are about to get wiped off the face of the earth so we can 'cleanse' it for our selfish purposes." I don't think people would be real receptive to that kind of stuff.
They kind of like the idea that God is "cleansing" the unrighteous. That way the can feel both holy and superior.
But I do believe there is some real power behind him. Not God of course. You know people think I am nuts when I talk conspiracy stuff and if it was man-made it would be nuts. But satan has been planning all this for centuries and when you look at it from that perspective it makes more sense.
That church thing we just came out of, the pastor said that the only real powerful miracles we are going to see that satan brings will be from the prophet and the beast. Sure let's underestimate him and say everything that is supernatural is from God. That way we can all be totally decieved. When Chuck Pierce prophecies he uses terms such as "release" and "water, wind, fire, etc" and calling down spirits (he calls them angels) and I think disguising to whom he is really petitioning.
Then he encourages prayer groups to be set up to continue this type of prayer. And all his efforts are international. Disasters have followed shortly after he and his goons leave certain cities. FL was a good example of that. The music they use reflects this and when you listen to it it really brings like militant feelings in you. When our pastor would play it I would get all angry and there were certain men in our church that would start yelling prayers about overcoming and taking back the kingdom and proclaiming disaster and confusion on those that don't "believe". It encourages a mob mentality.
You see where I am going with that? And yes, I think your take on the militant Christians is right on. And it will all happen in the name of righteousness just like when the Catholics tried to wipe out the Protestants during the Inquisition. But they are nothing but pawns in satan's little chess game. He must think we are so stupid (and for the most part I would have to agree) and have quite the enjoyment pulling our strings.
I am really feeling all this right now. I just heard that the Patriot Act has been extended for 5 months and they are attempting to make it permanent. I guess the powers that be are tired of their detention camps being empty. They are paying the guards there to basically do nothing. Not very cost-effective.
But that's ok because the "Christians" are out there fighting. In fact they got the TV show the Book of Daniel cancelled and they got stores to say "Christmas" again.
What victories huh? We can all reflect on those wonderful feats when we are swapping war stories in the detention facilities.
Ok, this was a bit emotional, but then I do tend to be highly fueled by my emotions which is why self-control is not my strong suit. But you know, it just makes me so angry to see things like that Patriot Act go through and see what is happening and know that we are so blind for the most part. We sit here in our nice houses like comfortable rats about to be exterminated. I don't know how close we are. That is all in God's hands. But it looks like we are getting closer and closer.
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